Take a look at the kitchen sink of biased mumblings at the local GOP web site. It's pretty disgraceful stuff. Anything posted referring to Ron Case is factually incorrect. There was no series of so-called "hit pieces." There was only one ad that had nothing to do with taxes, which was based in fact, contray to Brad Aho's counter ad, which is based soley on unsubstantiated smears, not evidentiary proof.
The sd42blog also uses Bigfoot's blog on the EPN as its factual source for whether Ron Case is dividing the city.
http://www.sd42blog.com/welcome.html
This is scary stuff, because it's lies. Who would want a candidate endorsed by a local party that does nothing but fabricate smears for candidates who aren't Republicans? I call that dividing by rumormongering and eliminating worthy candidates on the basis of their political affiliation on a city level. If you don't abide by the party line, you do not receive an endorsement. How many of us in Eden Prairie are not Republicans and do not abide by or endorse that kind of influence over people or government on a city level.
Go to Scott Neal's Blog from 2006 and see what he has to say about taxes from 2003 and 2006 when Ron Case was a council member and from 1995 to 2006, years Ron Case was also a council member.
Neal states in his summary that, "the data shows the City’s tax burden, whether measured absolutely or on a per capita basis, has remained flat during the time period from 2003-2006 when adjusted by the rateof inflation, when Case was a council member.
The data from 1995-2006 shows the City’s tax burden to have grown at or below the rate of comparable Twin Cities’ suburbs during that time period. While one can still make the argument that the City of Eden Prairie is taxing too much and spending too much, I believe this set of data shows that our taxing and spending behavior, as a city government, has been reasonable when compared to other MLC cities and when compared to the rate of inflation."
In fact compared to other like suburbs Eden Prairie has one of the lowest property tax burdens.
http://edenprairieweblogs.org/scottneal/wp-content/uploads/CMM2006020.pd...
What is scary are your...
Back to page topWhat is scary are your attempts to smear an honorable man, like Mr. Aho. Three attempts have been made to damage Mr. Aho's reputation during this campaign.
The first, was with regard to misinformation regarding the Smith-More House and the Dunn Bros. that Mr. Aho inherited from a previous Council.
The second was an attempt to blame Mr. Aho for the Agreement allowing the expansion of the runways at Flying Cloud Airport signed in 2002 that Mr. Aho also inherited. Our City Manager wrote a Commentary where he called the false allegations against Mr. Aho 'slander' and 'malicious'. Scott Neal concluded: "What was stated and implied about him [Brad Aho] in the ad last week is not true. Council Member Aho is an honest and honorable elected official. The allegation that he has been involved in changing the city's position on the Final Agreement is false. I hope that Eden Prairie residents will understand the ad for what it was and vote for the candidate of their choice based on facts, not unfair partisan smears."
The third, is the attempt by Mr. Case to blame the budget/taxes paid in 2006, 2007, and 2008 on Mr. Aho and the new majority, when Mr. Case and the old majority approved the budgets for 2006 and 2007 in December of 2005! Only 2008 reflects Mr. Aho and the new majority! Mr. Aho, in his response piece does cite his source -- which is the identical source using the identical numbers as Mr. Case uses -- from the City of Eden Prairie. Read the print on Mr. Aho's piece and call the City to confirm. I did.
So I suppose we need to add a fourth smear attempt: falsely accusing Mr. Aho of not using sources. Smears. All smears.
Mr. Aho has worked hard to lower taxes and improve quality of life. I hope the voters agree with me and keep Aho in and negativity out.
Mr. Aho does enough to...
Back to page topMr. Aho does enough to tarnish his reputation by himself that nothing needs to be made up.
If Mr. Aho were simply honest about what his political agenda of "limited government" would do to this city, he'd have much less problems.
Of course, he also wouldn't be electable.
Case: Higher Taxes Budget...
Back to page topCase: Higher Taxes
Budget Year Amount of Tax Increase
2006 Budget (Ron Case) 10.86 %
2007 Budget (Ron Case) 4.02 %
2008 Budget (Brad Aho) 1.85%
Source: City of Eden Prairie Budget Office
Read 'em and weep.
Own Record Indicts Mr. Aho...
Back to page topOwn Record Indicts
Mr. Aho is responsible for his own reputation. His own record indicts him.
Neal is also culpable; but, he's a hired hand; Neal had to retract his letter because the public was so outraged; Aho supported that letter, supported the city lobbying for federal funding. Neal does not act alone, he follows the direction of the council leadership, that would be Phil Young and the council majority, of which Brad Aho is a member.
FUNDING THE EXPANSION IS NOT PART OF THE CITY'S OBLIGATION IN THE AGREEMENT.
Brad took a "co-leadership role" in supporting Phil Young to lobby on behalf of MAC, to write, to deliver the letter...
Aho played a supportive role in the "change in direction," and there is NO DOUBT that under Phil Young the city and council took a drastic step toward fulfilling the eventual completion of the project; this was against public sentiment; it was against the PURPOSE of coming to terms with MAC. Those terms did NOT include lobbying for them.
Brad Aho has already indicted himself by feigning accomplishments that he had absolutely no hand in.
In the Tax Mailer, (if that's what you're talking about,) he used different numbers than Mr. Case. Case'e numbers are from the Eden Prairie City Assessor's Office and they represent an aggregate. Case's numbers are further substantiated by a response that Scott Neal gave for the benefit of the Tax Alliance when they supported Phil over Ron. At that time Neal defended the city budget and the prop taxes as being in line with other like communities. Essentially Neal was defending Case's tax position, because Case had been there for 11 years and he was part of the record.
So, if you look at Case's 11 yrs and his tax aggregate comp and compare it to Aho's 3 years, Ron's is 4.1% and Brad's is 5.8%
What's notable is that Brad had to rush out and produce a mailer in one week to debunk Case'e ad. What does that tell you? Aho is a one issue guy. He's also a very desperate candidate. His need to win is evidenced by his final letter in the EPN. Compare it to Case's letter. Brad's self-interest is winning. Ron's is to have the best result for the city. While Brad rises and falls on that one issue, taxes, Ron is a man for all reasons and seasons. Brad even took credit for EP's recent QOL ranking based on his budgeting. Eden Prairie's rankings are attributable to decades of good planning, development, recreational space, living options that have nada to do with Brad Aho's tax mantra.
Aho has not worked on behalf of seniors and immigrants; he has not listened to his constituents on the importance of maintaining critical services and he has not responded well to resident's complaints about impacts from the airport.
He has shown that he comes unprepared for meetings and consistently stalls and needs more information on issues that other council members are more prepared to deal with.
Aho has proved himself to be someone who's political ties alienate him from half of his constituents.
It is the Republican Party's endorsements and these endorsed candidate's themselves who brought divisive politics into Eden Prairie.
Remember, Jeanne Harris was a Republican. Everyone loved her, Dem and Repub alike. She did not bring politics into city governance.
And it was Jeanne who held open meetings with the public in coming to a decision about how to approach dealing with MAC. Ultimately the city chose to follow the PUBLIC view and hire a lawyer and get a legal document.
It was something no one who experienced it will ever forget. It was the most Democratic display of city government working with the public to advance the best interests of the city.
This amazing display of how government can represent the will of the people certainly has not been duplicated by the current council leadership, which includes Aho.
Could someone please answer...
Back to page topCould someone please answer this question?
As edenprairiefactchecker states above, former Mayor Jean Harris was a Republican. Was she ever endorsed by local Republicans for city office?
Thanks
Stark - Jean Harris was...
Back to page topStark -
Jean Harris was mayor from 1996 - 2001. During her tenure, EP was divided into several different senate districts. Therefore, there was no single city-wide organization to which delegates had been elected per Party Rules and Bylaws, to endorse for city-wide elections. Local Republicans did support her, though.
In 2000, after redistricting, all of EP and southern Minnetonka were merged into one senate district (SD42). After the reorganization, SD42 Republicans began endorsing at the local-level for city-wide races in Eden Prairie (school board, city council and mayor).
Elections in EP have changed though, even in the past six years:
In 2002, Phil Young was elected to City Council with 5,722 votes.
In 2004, Butcher was re-elected with 13,952 and Aho was first elected with 12,373 votes in a 7-way race for Council.
In 2006, Young was elected Mayor in a 2-way race with 12,696 votes.
Also in 2006, Duckstad received 8,831 and Nelson 7,475 in a 6-way race for Council.
In 2008, Aho received 14,916 and Case 14,814 in a 4-way race. . .
Running for a city-wide office in EP is a large undertaking. The geographic area that is covered and number of people they represent is greater than our State Representatives. . .
Thanks for the information....
Back to page topThanks for the information. It's not surprising that in years we elect a President, voter turnout is higher. This creates a challenge for city office candidates. Extra efforts are needed to inform voters who don't pay much attention to city politics.
In contrast, Eden Prairie school board elections are held in odd-number years when usually nothing else is on the ballot. This means a lower voter turnout and voters that on average, are naturally more informed. If school board elections were held in even-numbered years, their campaigns would be more expensive
Ron Case was on the Council...
Back to page topRon Case was on the Council until December of 2006. Why do you talk about 11 years? Why do you refuse to look at the truth regarding which councils voted for which budgets? Case's piece was the most deceptive I have ever seen in a local election! He blamed others for the budgets that he himself voted for! Case thought he could fool everyone -- why in the world do you admire that?
In December 2005, the 2006 and 2007 budgets were approved. Read the minutes. Ron Case and the old majority were on the Council at that time.
In Dec 2007, Brad Aho and the new majority approved budgets for 2008 and 2009.
Those are the facts.
It is obvious that Brad Aho only put out a flyer in response to Ron Case's deceptive flyer in order to correct the record. Mr. Aho's first mailer was all positive. He is a gracious, respectful, smart councilman, who works well with everyone. The record of his 4 years on Council is tremendous - and he gives credit to everyone working together.
Fact-checker -- you are equally wrong about your accusation that Brad Aho had anything to do with the letter. You know what you are saying is false. Mr. Aho had nothing to do with it and never saw it. He was not part of that delegation. Scott Neal's commentary made clear that the advertisement against him was malicious and slander. You should be ashamed for trying to propogate this lie.
So, my only question to you is, why are you so hate-filled and bigoted against him? Check your facts, Checker. You are wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.
"...who works well with...
Back to page top"...who works well with everyone. "
Yeah, "right." Go with that; it works for you.
Blind Truth? I hope you get...
Back to page topBlind Truth?
I hope you get the oxymoron...
Facts can be wrong, they can never be hateful.
I believe the reference was...
Back to page topI believe the reference was to Mr. Case.
Congrats Aho, Paulsen and...
Back to page topCongrats Aho, Paulsen and Bachmann. You ran clean and organized campaigns and the numbers bear that out.
CASE WINS 14,814 to Aho's...
Back to page topCASE WINS
14,814 to Aho's 14,916
http://www.edenprairie.org/vCurrent/live/
Mr. Smith Goes To...
Back to page topMr. Smith Goes To D.C.?
Smith, James Stewart, was the head of the Boys Rangers, a ficticious group, named for the Boy Scouts, who refused to give the use of their name in the 1942 flick, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington."
Smith was a pretty innocent guy whose altruism and inexperience almost lead him to his political ruination. (Paulsen could not be characterized as either.) Unlike Smith, Paulsen has a specific political agenda. Will he become part of the opposition or will he cross over party lines to make legislation that helps Americans? He didn't do it here in MN.
Ironically, the film is about whistleblowers; thus it was banned in Europe and in theaters across the U.S.
Paulsen represents a clearly divided district.
He is no Mr. Smith.
Aho highest total votes...
Back to page topAho highest total votes ever?
Can someone look that up?
It was interesting in how...
Back to page topIt was interesting in how that was presented:
"CASE WINS 14,814 to Aho's 14,916"
An honest person might post this:
"Aho, Case win. Aho gets the most Votes".
This is a perfect example of how edenprairiefactchecker spins things. Throw out a few misleading words and hope people don't actually read it or check the facts. These misleading tactics are par for the course. It's typical of Ron Case and his supporters.
Not coming in first is...
Back to page topNot coming in first is painful Bigfoot. Show her some sympathy.
Sympathy is what I do have...
Back to page topSympathy is what I do have for "her." If I tried posting some kinds word "she" would take it the wrong way and try to have my post removed.
I do feel bad for Sherry Butcher. As opposed to Ron Case, Sherry will listen to people that aren't life-long hippies or born-again hippies. In my opinion, the whole smear campaign against Scott Neal and Brad Aho backfired. Sherry went to Washington with Neal, Brad did not.
Anyone who was familiar with the allegations brought up in the smear campaign knew it was old news. Others, reading the late October smear regurgitation - and attempting to understand the time-line - obviously saw that Butcher was the only council member that could have been involved in what they were trying to allege.
Brad, Sherry, and Jeff ran clean campaigns. Ron Case did not.
Aho received the most votes...
Back to page topAho received the most votes in a city-wide election for a city-wide office in the history of Eden Prairie with 14,916. Prior to this race, Sherry Butcher had received the most votes in Eden Prairie with 13,952 in 2004.
Aho has served us well for 4 years on the Council and ran a well-organized, clean campaign which attracted the majority of voters (in spite of the smear campaign that was launched against him.)
So, Fact-Check -- do you think that 14,814 is a larger number than 14,916 or do you just ignore and/or spin every fact that doesn't favor Case?
So who is going to hold Case...
Back to page topSo who is going to hold Case to his newly, deceptive slogan of "the low tax guy"?
I had a good chuckle when I saw those stickers placed on his signage over this past weekend. Just proves that he will stop at nothing to get back on the council and try to regain his status of "Mr. Eden Prairie" - placing himself before the community AGAIN!
Note: Definition of "stopping at nothing" = LIE!
CASE "YES WE CAN"-AHO 'NO WE...
Back to page topCASE "YES WE CAN"-AHO 'NO WE CAN'T"
The difference between the two candidates is stark. At least Aho would like us to think so.
While Case congratulated his opponent, admitting it was a difficult campaign, Aho was soley concerned with what he termed negativity against him, and no reciprocative congratulatory remarks to his opponent.
How can his own quote be negative? He repeated the same line repeatedly since spring of 2007.
The problem is twofold: residents perceived a "change in the new council majority's direction."
The Neal, Anderson emails were evidence that there was a "change in direction."
Aho's words consistently backed up the Mayor's line, saying there was no "change in direction."
The timeline from Jan of 07 until late spring of 07 does not jive with what the Mayor or Brad Aho have said.
Despite a win, AHO is still complaining.
Is he saying he doesn't believe candidates should be held accountable for the statements they make?
Though Aho and Case now seem to agree: Case said "the idea that the vote was about quality-of-life v.s fiscal responsbility, Case said we must do both." Aho said he thought, "fiscal responsibility adds to quality-of-life."
So, there's no disagreement on those two issues?
One got the sense after Aho put out a last minute mailer responding to Ron's on taxes, that only he could own the fiscally responsible seal of approval, and that there was desperation on his part to one up his opponent in the 11th hour?
The most sincere...
Back to page topThe most sincere congratulations are offered privately, not publicly. Some offer public congratulations for no other reason than to appear gracious in the local papers.
Something tells me Aho most likely called Case following the election. Aho is modest by nature and wouldn't find it necessary to publicize that fact.
Query: did Case do the same? Did he try to call Aho, or did he just want to be quoted in the paper as offering congratulations? Well, even if he didn't call, at least the public congratulations to Aho is far better than the public crying Case did two years ago after losing the race for Mayor.
epeagle, If you know...
Back to page topepeagle, If you know anything about Ron Case, you know he loves to be quoted in the paper. He's also a drama queen.
Farcechecker, Your statement...
Back to page topFarcechecker, Your statement and I quote; "Though Aho and Case now seem to agree" is inaccurate. Aho and Case are polar opposites! Case = higher taxes, Aho = fiscal responsibility while maintaining community appeal and quality of life. Case did not shift his stance. You'll again see his true colors now that he's back.
Regarding the last minute tax mailer, Aho was stating facts while Case's numbers were "stuffed". Did you ever inquire if Case's numbers backed out County and school taxes? Probably not. And you call you self the "fact checker", shame on you!
Aho never said "No We...
Back to page topAho never said "No We Can't". He is a solution-finder and bridge-builder and has done an excellent job on the council. The people responded to his outstanding work during the election, in spite of your attempts, Factignorer, to smear him.
Aho did call each one of the other candidates who ran for Council before anyone called him; he offered congratulations to Case and expressed his appreciation for the campaigns and service of the other two. He is a modest person and does not seek the limelight. Never has.
So, why do you make up allegations and assume the worst about him? Why do you constantly make up information and publish it here? Why don't you call Aho and get the facts? It is so easy to contact him. His number is in the book.
Also, the interview held by the EP News was many minutes long. The writers choose what they will quote, and the person quoted cannot be held responsible for that. Do you really think that Sherry's only comment to the press is what was included in that article?
The EP News will always paint Case in a positive light. It does not mean that the other candidates did not express similar views or congratulatory remarks. Personally, I think you are the one dividing Eden Prairie (or trying to). . . It's time to get real and grow up.
Protest Too Much The...
Back to page topProtest Too Much
The election is over and you're all still trying to clear Aho's name??
It's clear enough that none of have checked out the minutes to see the discrepancies between what Aho does and says.
That's your perrogative.
It's one thing to write disparaging remarks based on innuendo and another to use the city minutes to reveal Brad has claimed leadership roles where none existed.
Hopefully you are not voting on the basis of personality or party affiliation.
I think if you check in with the city manager, you will find that Case won 3/4 of Eden Prairie's districts, Republican areas, where the airport issue is key.
That was more than both Brad and Sherry.
I think you'll also find that public pressue may have won out in keeping the Dunn Bros Coffee house and use of the SDM House, as is.
This is how it should be: "government is us, not them."
That's the huge MISTAKE the current council majority has made: they are not listening to their constituents, until they are hit where it hurts most, by petitions with 400 signees, a reminder that first and foremost, government should echo residents.
Another reminder that they have let down seniors, immigrants, residents who gather, airport neighbors and on...
Look at the record.
Ron had a very effective...
Back to page topRon had a very effective mailer the week before the election. The "low tax guy" who is "against the airport expansion." He played on people's fears and implied that he could/will do something about the expansion. He also misrepresented his record in comparision to Aho's. If that's how you stay in touch with the people, then i guess your point is well taken. But, i tend to think residents like a dose of honesty in their public servants.
BTW, what exactly will Ron do to prevent the expansion?
Case misrepresented his own...
Back to page topCase misrepresented his own record, and Aho's. Case's ad was deceptive. To the extent that it swayed people away from voting for Butcher or for Aho, that is truly unfortunate. One will always wonder how many votes Case would have received if he had run an honest campaign.
As pointed out, Case misrepresented his role regarding taxes and the Airport Expansion / 2002 Agreement that takes away the City's rights to ever oppose lengthening the runways.
Funny how those most opposed to the airport expansion are the first to defend spending a million tax payer dollars in legal services for the 2002 Agreement. I think that was a waste of taxpayer money and those involved were motivated by self-interest. I'd also like to know who picked the law firm that got the majority of the money and why. And what was it that they said? That the city can't stop the expansion. Hmmmm. Most people knew that for free. . .
What is it that we got for our million dollars in legal services, that the city could not have received negotiating on its own?
Also, the argument makes no sense. If the runways were never going to be lengthened, then why did the City spend a million dollars negotiating an agreement with the MAC? And if the runways were going to be lengthened, and so that justifies spending a million dollars in legal services to get whatever was received in the Agreement, why is anyone now 'shocked' to see that the runways are being lengthened according to the Agreement?
When the Zero Expansion group was celebrating that Agreement that allows the lengthening of the runways and forfeits all future legal rights of the City from opposing it -- when did they think the expansion would take place? 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? 2006? 2007? Never? Did they really believe that the MAC would never, ever get the funding to lengthen the runways, or that it wouldn't happen in their life-times? Really? No. Signing that Agreement made the lengthening of the runways inevitable - and Case authorized that Agreement, not Aho.
The airport was created in 1941. Most people living near the airport today, knew it existed at the time they purchased their home. In 1966, it was ranked the second busiest airport in the Central US, behind O'Hare. In 1968 it was the ninth busiest airport in the entire nation, w/ over 446,000 takeoffs and landings. In 2007, the airport had only 117,000 takeoff/landings. That means that in the past 4 decades, the airport's use has been substantially decreased by almost 74%.
MAC controls the airport, and at the end of the day, longer runways save lives and we can all agree on that positive safety advantage.
Truthful Eagle, this is a...
Back to page topTruthful Eagle, this is a story Kare 11 ran in August. It's really one sided with only Ron Case giving his opinion as a "former" councilman who lives across the street from the airport. Regardless, Ron gives himself plenty of rope to hang from.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=521118&catid=14
The ground breaking at Flying Cloud Airport in Eden Prairie will mean 27 million dollars worth of new runways, taxiways and better hangars.
The expansion will help make Flying Cloud a main relief airport to Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.
Flying Cloud will be a place where smaller airplanes and corporate jets can land without the hassle of a major airport, potentially bringing more business to the area.
"Corporations are usually based where the CEO lives and we'd like them to live in Eden Prairie and the surrounding area so that those corporations will stay based in Minnesota, grow in Minnesota and provide more jobs in Minnesota," said Jack Lanners of the Metropolitan Airports Commission.
But to the guy who lives across the street, the ground breaking also means more planes and more noise.
"This is the busiest reliever airport in Minnesota we've shouldered some of the most airplane noise, probably of any community in the whole state and we've done this for decades," said Ron Case.
Case has lived across the road from the airport for nearly 30 years and served more than a decade on Eden Prairie's City Council.
He also helped ink the initial 2002 deal for the expansion project.
"I think we ultimately knew that Eden Prairie was not going to stop MAC, I think we always knew," Case said.
Now that the deal is done, he and other neighbors want to make sure the agreement is followed.
Only certain types of jets are allowed at the airport and they can only land and take off during certain times of the day.
"If we have bigger jets coming in, but we have limitations are they following the limitations," Case questioned.
Whether elected or not, you can bet, he'll be keeping an eye on the sky across the street.
Everyone on the Council has...
Back to page topEveryone on the Council has been working within the 2002 Agreement to ensure that the City receives whatever benefits the Agreement provides. There is no controversy regarding that. Case made false allegations against members of this Council regarding the expansion and its funding. A false, malicious ad was then placed in the paper to smear Aho in an attempt to interfer with his re-election bid. The City Manager responded to it in a thoughtful and oustanding Commentary, completely dispelling these false allegations.
However, Case's deceptive ad implied that he can somehow "stop airport expansion" (contrary to what the paper quotes him as saying in your comment above, Stark) which may have swayed many voters.
It is truly unfortunate that Case's use of this deceptive ad may have provided the leverage to oust Butcher from her seat. Although Aho and Butcher provided differing views and positions, they treated each other with respect and in a gracious professional manner. I have very much appreciated these past two years of the Council's discourse under the leadership of Mayor Young. Sherry will be missed.
I'm trying real hard to...
Back to page topI'm trying real hard to determine whether your post has a legitimate point other than a shot against a candidate that you obviously don't like.
Are you really suggesting that candidates should be limited in spending their own money on their campaigns? Or that a local candidate should be limited in their ability to attract financial support from voters beyond the $300/person contribution limit?
Would you have imposed the same restrictions on Barack Obama, or Ashwin Madia, or any democrat who was able to out-fundraise their opponent? Wait, let me guess--you would conveniently want these restrictions only to apply to local office. Such rules would put even more of a premium on incumbency and give even more power to the three city council members that you obviously don't care for.
And, I think most voters who care about "fiscal conservatism" are primarily concerned with how officeholders spend taxpayers money once in office. I think Mr. Aho's record in that regard is pretty darn good. I don't think anybody cares, except apparently you, how much money Mr. Aho spent on his campaign. But, here's a question, if you can answer it honestly--would you be making the same point if your "low tax guy" Mr. Case had outspent the field? In fact, where were you during all those years when it was Mr. Case who outspent his opponents?
Aho did not spend $30,000 on...
Back to page topAho did not spend $30,000 on his campaign. His campaign reports to date show expenditures of around $3 Thousand - not $30 Thousand.
Another financial report will be filed with the City tomorrow, and it will probably show that a substantial amount of money was spent in order to campaign to Eden Prairie's 65,000 residents in its 36 square miles.
Unfortunately, Aho was forced to spend additional funds in order to respond to the false, deceptive and malicious ads of one opponent, in order to protect his good name and reputation.
He did so successfully, and fortunately, the truth prevailed and Mr. Aho received the most votes. He deserved to.
Mr. Aho's Treasurer has confirmed that Aho's campaign did not spend $30,000. Fact Checker's malice towards Mr. Aho is obvious and offensive, and I have submitted a complaint to the EP News regarding this.
Unfortunately, Lenin may have been right when he said 'a lie told often enough becomes the truth' - at least in terms of some people's perception. . . It is impossible to un-ring a bell, and that is why false information is so damaging and why we have laws designed to protect us against defamation. Even the Bible ranks 'gossip' with 'murder.' Rom 1:29.
If anyone has a criticism of a vote Mr. Aho has made or a view he has expressed, that is fair game. However, it is unethical to print false information in an attempt to damage someone's reputation.
I have found Mr. Aho to be among the most gracious and well-respected elected officials in our State. He is happy to meet with all residents regarding any concerns they may have. He opens his home to all, his home phone, email, etc. He is the most accessible official that I know. He is modest, respectful, smart and hard-working for the residents of Eden Prairie. As the only engineer on the Council, and with his business experience, his perspective has served us well.
Brad Aho has proven that he has given us his very best effort. We can ask for nothing more, and we expect nothing less. . .
Thanks for challenging...
Back to page topThanks for challenging Vicki's propaganda, TruthfulEagle. And she calls herself the "Eden Prairie Fact Checker" . . . "Prairie Propagandist" is more like it.
I'm surprised the paper continues to let her get away with her lies, but that's their call.
How many of Vicki's "facts" have now been exposed as outright intentional lies? Just with what you and sd42webmaster have pointed out, it must be in the double digits.
The good thing is that most people now know who she is and that she can't be trusted.
Running as "Fiscal...
Back to page topRunning as "Fiscal Conservative?"
A question mark says a lot. The figures were highlighted by a question mark (?)
Regardless, it's clear that AHO had more exposure, more ads, out spent everyone.
It may not have be disclosed because he could have used more personal contributions than anyone.
More ads and media do not equate to less money spent.
In order to win, everyone, who attempts to run for local office will be forced to compete with lots of money.
That's not "fiscally conservative." Remember AHO has attached himself to that describer more than his opponents.
Where's the parity? How can folks run, worthy candidates, who don't have a party pedigree and are not able to raise those kinds of dollar amounts?
This is the point. The rest of the garbage here is pure innuendo and personal attacks.
Vicki, If what you wrote was...
Back to page topVicki, If what you wrote was not a blatant and intentional lie, then why did you suddenly removed it? If only Bill Clinton was able to destroy the evidence with a few key strokes.
You lied and TruthfulEagle called you on it. Now you're accusing others of "garbage" and "innuendo". Have you no shame?
- The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite! (Tennessee Williams)
Aurora If you are addressing...
Back to page topAurora
If you are addressing the edenprairiefactchecker do so with the correct name.
Don't assume anything unless you've gotten the information directly from Karla. And of course she doesn't give that out, so no one knows who I am.
I didn't remove it. And I would not have because the figures had a question mark. They were intended to show that the cost of running an election for a 8,000 city council seat is out-of line, particularly if you are running as a "fiscal conservative."
You can't win now unless you match that kind of exorbient price tag.
In an economy like this one, it really sends a mixed message.
Your posts are vituperative; and this last one was obviously factually in error. You assumed I removed the post when I didn't.
Considering AHO also threatened the EPN with legal repecussions, it's a wonder that anyone in Eden Prairie will be able use their first amendment rights.
I am accusing because there's lots of misinformation on this thread.
But more than that the partisan hate mongering continues. It definitely is a sign that Republicans are not ready to make it one United States, not two.
Vicki, are you saying that...
Back to page topVicki, are you saying that you did not remove your comments, and had nothing to do with the fact they were removed?
First, you must understand why readers would not believe anything you say.
- "Liars when they speak the truth are not believed." (Aristotle)
Second, if it is true that you had nothing to do with your comments being removed, there remains the question of who did remove them and why. Did staff at the Eden Prairie News remove them because they were lies?
- "Truth is generally the best vindication against slander." (Abraham Lincoln)
You made up a bunch of campaign finance numbers that were challenged as being false. You yourself admit they are false, and are desperately attempting to rationalize these prevarications by arguing that they were "highlighted by a question mark (?)"
-"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott)
Most community newspapers have one or two local readers with nothing better to do, so they create for themselves a hobby out of clinging onto the editorial staff of the local news-rag. The staff at the Eden Prairie News must think of you as an unstable great-aunt they are forced to tolerate. You know the type. They get up in the morning and, after a breakfast of prune wine and toast, begin their daily ritual of bothering people.
The next time you pester the staff at the Eden Prairie News (once you get over the grief of having your comments removed) ask them if they are going to publish campaign finance details for each of the candidates, once the information is publicly available.
- "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." (Mark Twain)
Buying City Hall? In looking...
Back to page topBuying City Hall?
In looking at 2010, how will that election proceed? How much money will be spent?
We've already had a contentious election in 2006, when Phil Young dismissed the tactics of the now active-again Tax Alliance and accepted that they thought he was the better candidate..so not only did he have Republican backing, he had the first time backing of an obviously politically conservative pac whose roots are in grassroots organizing for the tobacco industry.
The problem for Phil and others like him is the Tax Alliance now thinks that Phil and the rest of the Republican majority are spending too much. Ironic. (The point being the Tax Alliance has shown that they are not happy with the results of the budgeting process. They have asked for a freeze, when spending will be reduced anyway by virtue of national, state and county impacts.)
It is clear, Republicans want to control the council. Interesting, because they don't want anyone else too. Is that parity?
But, the election proved that the public wants to see parity by electing Ron Case. Rather than his airport credentials and long service to the community, Case represents CHANGE, in the scheme of the current council's makeup.
His victory, more than anything else, is that the community may be clamouring for a way back to how things were.
The only thing contentious about the previous council was that Phil Young voted against the council majority more than he voted with them.
That showed a split, a disunity the city had not seen before. Obviously Phil has his supporters, but so does Case. Herein lies the division. (It's clear from Nelson and Butcher's votes, minority votes on the current council.)
Not so unusual. Not so terrible if we can find a way to create more parity. Replacing Case and loosing Butcher still leaves the council unbalanced.
I can't imagine campaign 2010's candidates' expenditures. It's incongruous to think we have a council majority who touts frugalness and then one of them goes out and campaigns with 4 page color flyers, 1st class mailings, lots of web banner exposure and Republican dollars and endorsements to boot and claims to be a "fiscal conservative."
It sends out a mixed message to most people who are really watching and listening. Hopefully more people will do that.
If on a local level we base our council seats on dollars spent, than we are wasting an opportunity to have a truly representative council made up of a diverse socio-economic group.
We have a growing immigrant population who should have voice on the council; we have a growing senior population who should be represented by age, not party affiliation.
Parity is not three endorsed Republicans leading a city council by swaying the vote on every single issue. That will be the cause for 2010.
One could say 2008 was not a good year for the Republican majority because in the final anaylsis they had to be petitioned to finally heed public sentiment and they ran up against airport neighbors in 2007 because of their "CHANGE" in direction from one of neutrality to one of outright support and lobbying efforts on behalf of MAC.
To understand the Final Agreement's purpose, which none of you have shown, it sums up this way:
1. The Final Agreement allows the city to legally respond to MAC on issues related to it. Without it, the city would have no recourse.
2. Zero Expansion never saw the complete agreement when the city asked them to support it. But from Zero's point-of-view it was that or nothing. Nothing is never a good choice.
3. The only thing the public has is the political will to effect an outcome. This was exemplified by the petition sent around to keep Dunn as is with current owner and use and now the petition to limit Krull's contract.
2010 should be about creating a neutral council evenly divided so they all have to work to resolve issues, not by a majority vote, but by a consensus vote.
You are wrong again,...
Back to page topYou are wrong again, FactChecker. And the only one making "attacks" is you against Aho.
All expenditures are required by law to be disclosed. Although a candidate can (and in my opinion, should) contribute to his/her own campaign, he/she cannot make any expenditures without disclosing how much was spent. Aho's campaign has disclosed its expenditures and I assume all other candidates' campaigns have or will. Whether the source of the money is through donations from others, a candidate's personal contributions, or a combination of both, all expenditures are disclosed.
Being fiscally responsible means that you spend money wisely and conscientiously, and Aho does both.
It is said that a good name is worth more than gold or silver. Therefore, spending money to protect one's good name with the truth when one has been slandered, is a very worthwhile investment.
I do worry, however, about our future, and what will happen when good people want to run for elected office but are falsely maligned by their opponents and do not have the resources to counter the false attacks? In a City the size of Eden Prairie, and with a weekly newspaper, it is expensive to inform the electorate in a timely manner.
Candidates should run and win on the issues and their abilities (which Aho did) -- and not by slandering opponents with false information.
Spending dollars to defend one's good name? Honorable.
Spending dollars to run a deceptive and false ad against an opponent in order to get elected? Disgraceful.
Being forced to devote additional dollars to counter a false and deceptive ad that was run against you? Unfortunate.
Phone Home Truth You've lost...
Back to page topPhone Home Truth
You've lost your way in the truth department.
The ad you are referring to was factual. It contained three quotes. Two proved that the city was not truthful about "changing" their position toward the expansion from one of neutrality to one of support. Read the emails: Anderson asked Neal to tell Jim Ramstad, that the city now supports the expansion. I can't imagine that ever happening under the leadership of Nancy Tyra-Lukens. The second quote showed what is historically correct, Aho supported the "change" and Scott Neal's' initial letter lobbying for federal funds for the airport.
Nothing at all misleading or factually incorrect about it.
Let's not forget that NEAL retracted that letter under public pressure.
The only thing false was Brad Aho's response ad which obfuscated his involvement in the "change" on the council from one of neutrality to one of support. Why, because his retort was totally off-topic and did not respond to the points made by the ad which is that Aho supported Neal's letter asking for federal funds to expand the airport. That's a huge change in support of the expansion.
Supporting the Final Agreement and upholding its tenents has nothing to do with actively lobbying on behalf of MAC. That action is outside of the realm of responsibility. The agreement only requires the city or its officals not to actively work against the expansion.
QUITE A DIFFERENCE. So lobbying on the expansion's behalf does not violate the agreement. But, it violates the public trust. And that's probably one of the reasons why Case was elected.
Why would Aho not come out and clarify that point for the public? Why? Because it's the line Young and Aho have continuously used to muddy the public understanding of their "Changed" approach to the airport expansion.
The Final Agreement is supported by all, including Zero Expansion and Ron Case. But, the agreement has nothing to do with actions the city has taken to actually make the 5,000 ft runway a reality. That happened under the leadership of Young and Aho and their support for funding the expansion. Neal is a hired employee; he does not change or set policy.
The money wasn't there and hasn't been there and it wasn't until after the Chamber meeting in March 2007 with MAC, Young, city officials where MAC asked for help to get the funding, what followed the next day, was the Neal email to Anderson saying the city would support the expansion and funding for it.
No one was falsely maligned by the ad. The ad contained verifiable emails between Neal and Anderson, and a statement made by Aho himself.
Though the truth is out there in the emails and statements, actions made, Young, Neal and Aho continue to deny it. The public was and has been deceived.
As to personal contributions, my understanding is they are not included in the tally. This issue is far from being resolved, the numbers have to be looked at.
Sounds like sour grapes to...
Back to page topSounds like sour grapes to me. Get over it.
Wrong again, FactChecker....
Back to page topWrong again, FactChecker. There were two false and deceptive hit pieces against Aho: the one put out by a group regarding the Airport that you mention, and the mailer sent out by the Case campaign in which he compared an 11-year budget record (instead of his 12-yr record) and tried to blame Aho for budgets in 2006 and 2007 which Case and the old majority voted on. Case also stated on the front of that mailer that he was "against Airport expansion" - even though he is the one who authorized the 2002 Agreement that made the lengthening of the runways inevitable.
Aho and the new majority are responsible for the budgets in 2008 and 2009, and Aho and the new majority were not part of the 2002 Council that signed the Agreement with the MAC nor did they go to Washington in 2007.
Aho defended himself against both with the truth.
As for the airport expansion issue, Aho has clearly stated that there was NO CHANGE in the city's position regarding the expansion. Aho has clearly stated that he NEVER lobbied or even spoke with any local, state or federal official(s) regarding the expansion of the airport. He DID NOT lobby for it. Your continued accusations are false, FactChecker, and I am going to issue another complaint with EP News that you are continuing to publish false information against Aho.
Scott Neal's Commentary that was published in this paper set the record straight on this issue. I encourage all readers to read it on www.bradaho.com (under Issues) or on this paper's website.
Again, FactChecker is trying to operate under Lenin's premise that "a lie told often enough becomes the truth" in trying to blame Aho for the expansion of the runways. It is not the truth, and no matter how many times you try to blame him, it will never become the truth. I hope that Aho takes whatever action is necessary to stop this perpetration of lies about him.
Perhaps Zero Expansion and Case are happy with the 2002 Agreement that authorizes the expansion of the runways and takes away all the city's rights to ever oppose it. I am not.
So here is the bottom line: If the runways were NEVER going to be lengthened, why did the City spend a MILLION DOLLARS in obtaining an Agreement with the MAC? And, if the runways were going to be lengthened, and so the City was 'justified' in spending a Million Dollars for an Agreement that authorizes the lengthening of the runways, why are you now 'shocked' to see that the MAC is doing it?! It was only a matter of time before the MAC would lengthen the runways -- and the clock started ticking in 2002.
Truth Not. The "Lenin"...
Back to page topTruth Not.
The "Lenin" premise is Brad Aho's. His ad claims don't match his record. He has continually made false claims about his accomplishments that are factually incorrect.
Look at the timeline at http://wwwzeroexpansion.blogspot.com/.
Brad was complicit in the "Change" and so was Scott Neal.
How can you possibly ask the paid employee who wrote the letter which had to have been approved by someone on the council to then write a letter defending you.
It's like asking your accomplice in crime to go to bat for you in court.
The point is that the agreement gives the city some minor but important protections, the best of which is the legality of the agreement which allows the city to sue MAC if they break their promise to the city again.
You're not paying attention. No, MAC has not had the funds to lengthen the runway. And they didn't have them till Mayor Young took office and the "Change" took place.
Look at the timeline and read it. Your problem and those who support Aho is they dont' want to see the truth. There was a change; even Neal said there was a change, that this council supports the expansion, while the other council didn't.
But the other council had no choice. They had to make an agreement with some restrictions or have nothing. That did not mean the expansion would happen.
You truly don't understand this at all. But, maybe that's the point. You don't want to. Case isn't happy with it; no one was happy with it, but without it the MAC would have gone ahead unrestricted, untethered by a legal agreement. We could have cargo and worse yet Fedex or other shippers.
Young and Aho have totally mischaracterized the facts. And the reason why is because they don't want people to understand that under their leadership federal funds for the 5,000ft runway were given an okay by the city.
Read the emails. They are REAL.
As far as censorship is concerned and attempts to stop information from getting out, this council under Young's leadership and Aho's threats to people who exercise their first amendment rights, is quite the irony.
All the actions regarding the "change" that took place were not done in full public view.
The Airport Legislative Agenda was never publicly aired.
The vote was a wholesale vote without any discussion, council or public discussion.
The letter, which was distributed in March at a FCAAC meeting finally went public right before Neal went to D.C.
It was after that the public became outraged that the city was actively lobbying for federal funds for the expansion.
Neal then retracted that letter under public pressure.
But the damage was done.
The entirety of what when on behind closed doors was revealed latter in the Chamber minutues and the Neal/ Anderson emails.
This has all been muddied by the total lack of public disclosure.
It's a blight on the current council leadership.
Neal can not be blamed, but he can be fired.
That's why you are not going to hear Neal do anything but defend those in leadership positions when this all took place.
How could the airport have...
Back to page topHow could the airport have had "cargo and worse yet Fedex or other shippers" if the runways were never going to be lengthened/expanded by the MAC?
If the City could stop the MAC from ever being funded, then it is an impotent entity. If that is true, we didn't need the 2002 Agreement...
And, if we never wanted the runways lengthened at the airport, we should have put that in the 2002 Agreement. If the MAC wouldn't agree to that, then we needed to make a decision - either we agreed that the MAC has the power to do what they want and we go along, or we don't believe they have the power and we reserve our rights to take them to Court. There is no alternative.
I'm afraid you have this backwards, though -- the 2002 Agreement does not give us the 'right' to sue the MAC if they breach anything, it forfeits all our rights to sue them forever. We always had had the right to sue the MAC until we signed the 2002 Agreement that gave up all rights to oppose the expansion.
The bottom line is this: if you didn't want the airport to ever be expanded, then you should have fought like hell to preserve our rights to oppose the MAC legally, in the Courts, in the future. That is the only possible course of action.
Minneapolis, Richfield and Eagan sued the MAC in 2007 and got a great settlement agreement for their residents. . . They received a $127.6 Million Dollar settlement for noise mitigation for their residents...
What you were told in 2002 - after spending a Million Dollars in legal fees - is that you cannot stop the MAC from exanding the runways, so you had better work with them. And you did.
But again, if you really believed that you had the power to control the MAC's funding, then there was no reason to spend the Million Dollars for an Agreement that signed away our rights. We gained too little and gave up too much in my opinion. . .
You celebrated it then. Had we not signed the 2002 Agreement, we could have left our options open and could have sued the MAC as necessary to obtain whatever we believed was reasonable as new technologies and issues develop.
There is no mention of Aho in any Chamber Minutes or in anything that you have mentioned, except below where Aho states that there was no change in the City's position, to which Butcher and Young also agree. Clearly, Aho had nothing to do with this expansion or its funding, despite how you want to blame him for this.
Below is what is included from the Zero Expansion site, from Council minutes, completely dispelling your false accusations:
18. “Those are the things which the council has talked about this year, Young said. “There was no discussion at the council about encouraging or lobbying or spending money to secure federal financing for the runway….We don’t do things behind closed doors. It’s not right. It’s not legal and we certainly haven’t done it on this issue.”
19. Butcher agrees with Young and said there’s been no council action that would suggest that they support the expansion of the airport.
20. Council member Aho agreed that there has not been a change in policy. He said the Memorandum of Understanding still stands and the city supports improvements and sprucing up the facilities.
21. “The thought is put out there that the city is trying to promote the airport expansion, meaning more use, bigger aircraft, longer runways, nosier operations and that is not at all true and it is not helpful,” Aho said.
The truth is, that the MAC is a powerful entity and lobbied the Feds for its own funding and got it. This Council had nothing to do with that, and no City Council who gave up their rights to oppose them, could have done anything (legally) to stop them.
Finally, the First Amendment does not protect someone from defaming or slandering anyone else. Publishing false statements about someone, like you did regarding Aho's Campaign expenditures, is not protected speech. That is why your comment was removed.
TRUTH/FACT We can't make...
Back to page topTRUTH/FACT
We can't make facts up, thank goodness.
The facts support the chain of documented events which indicate the city "changed" their position, colluded with MAC to get the funds.
You cherry picked quoted statements which belie the actual actions taken. As you can see our documents represent everything. Unfortunately, comments made are not evidence of fact.
1. A legislative Agenda was created and shoved down the council's throat in a wholesale vote without discussion or public vetting.
2. When the news came out that the city was going to actively lobby for funds, the public was outraged. This is all evident in the minutes.
Eden Prairie Sun Current March 29, 2007
Lyn Jerde from the EP Sun Current asked Neal if the city changed direction; Neal responded that they didn't. That does not jive with the letter delivered to legislators, or the emails between Anderson and Neal. It also doesn't jive with other statements by Neal saying the new council wants to see the runways expanded.
1. Jerde starts off by stating that residents are asking if the city lobbied for federal funding. Neal responds they didn’t."
http://zeroexpansion.com/docs_4-07/AnalysisOfEventsChamberOfCommerce0519...
Neal has walked a tight rope and contradicted himself often in regard to whether the city had or had not "changed" their position, but it is clear from the actions taken, not the rhetoric, that a "change" took place.
It's much more difficult to track actions, rather than sound bytes intended to deflect intent.
We know that the MAC was not going to get the funding without outside support, which was discussed at the Chamber meeting, or as it happened a day later, a plea from Tim Anderson to Neal to have the city lobby our legislators on behalf of MAC for federal funds.
Again the actions and the emails are indisputable. Statements made by Neal, Aho and Young are all self-defensive statements made by politicians, but they just don't follow the chronological events.
MAC is a political entity. They were stymied by the opposition to the airport, that's why they wanted the city to come out and switch their position, in support of the airport. Again, this is evidenced by the emails, the Legislative Agenda and the continued line of defense that they support the Final Agreement.
That's a frequent line of defense and a cop out.
You can't make comparisons with circumstances that aren't comparable. MAC has the ALL power, but they still need support from communities and cities. Why do you think part of the agreement included Eden Prairie's signed vow never to oppose the expansion. It's a given.
Excuse me but the best aviation lawyer in the business told the city you can't fight MAC. All you can do is come to some terms to protect the city. By that time MAC had already bought thousands of acres of land pre-agreement. In fact we have learned that until an EIS is done, the buying land action is illegal.
When you start making things up, and you are, is when I have to draw the line. This is a complex issue and you don't have a grasp of history to call a spade a spade, but more than that this is about defending someone who's defense is really indefensible. Because emails and actions don't lie.
As to first amendment rights, we are not defaming, we are calling into question actions taken by the current council leadership that were secretive and against a long standing policy of neutrality.
If the city had come out and explained that this is why were doing this and for what, in view of the opposition to the airport this should have been a given. Obvoiusly it was done without public knowledge because a large number of EP residients would have been outraged, as they were once they found out in March 2007. The truth is the Chamber minutes reveal and MAC admitted that the funding that was needed was for the 5,000 ft runway and hangars. It was not for security, environment or dressing up older hangars.
Perhaps the post alluding to, because there was a question mark, a high dollar amount spent, was removed because the paper has already been threatened with a law suit by Mr. Aho for printing the contents of two emails and a statement he made. All factual.
Aho's response ad DID not respond to the point of the first ad which was that the city, though they have continually denied it (after Neal admitted it and flip-flopped and denied it again)that they "Changed" their position from one of neutrality to one of support and that Aho supported that change. His statements/actions can not be construed any other way.
His ad says we "implied" that "Aho was responsible for the expansion of the runways."
No, what we pointed out by using Neal's emails and Aho's statement was that the "Change" the city and its council leaders have stated never happened, ACTUALLY did.
The ad goes on to say he and the council resinstated the FCAAC. But if you read the minutes he was against the reinstatement. And was only convinced to sign on to it once Phil Young removed some language.
He then states that he is committed to working on behalf of residents in regard to the airport, but if you look at his record, he was against the reinstatment of the aiport commission because it could harm businesses, not residents; he has had no active voice in working on behalf of residents in this regard, and he objected to the Resolution of Neutrality put forward by Butcher.
Aho is right on one thing; he inherited the Agreement. What he didn't inherit was a neutral position toward the airport.
As Sherry Butcher commented, the previous council would never have fathomed that any future councils would email Tim Anderson and agree to go to D.C. and ask for taxpayer, federal funds to expand the 5,000 ft runway.
But, that's exactly what happened.
Vicki said "We can't make...
Back to page topVicki said "We can't make facts up, thank goodness".
What?? If you stopped calling yourself the factchecker, we might believe you.
There was no email exchange...
Back to page topThere was no email exchange or correspondence of any kind to/from Aho regarding the airport. Aho did not know about the letter from Scott Neal ahead of time. Aho did not go to Washington. Aho was not at the Chamber meeting. Aho did not lobby anyone for the airport expansion. Scott Neal's Commentary sets the record straight. Aho is correct when he says there was no change -- because he did not propogate any change, did nothing to cause any change and was not aware of any change.
The 'perception of change' language came from the Zero Expansion forum, where Case said that there was a "perception" that the City had changed its position. Sherry and Aho both denied this at the forum - they said there was no change, they knew of no change, and that neither of them had been involved in any change.
However, by you continuing to say there was 'change', you are trying to use Lenin's premise that 'a lie told often enough become the truth', to 'make' something true. However, you cannot change the facts.
Your comment that "MAC has the ALL power, but they still need support from communities and cities" is disingenuous. If the MAC has ALL the power, why do they 'need' the support of cities and communities? The only thing they 'need' is funding from the Feds - and what they 'want' from cities/communities is to not be sued by them. . .
"Why do you think part of the agreement included Eden Prairie's signed vow never to oppose the expansion" - because that is what the MAC wanted, not the City. . . The question is, why did the City agree to that? And what did we get in return for that incredible forfeiture of all future rights?
Of course the MAC did not want EP to sue them - like Minneapolis, Eagan, Richfield and other cities do all the time to get what they want from the MAC. That is obvious. It is not obvious why the City agreed to it in 2002.
Anyway, if you are convinced that giving up all future legal rights to oppose the expansion was such a great deal for the City and its residents, then congrats - you got what you wanted. As for me, I think it was a bad deal for the City, but one we must now live with.
Just stop trying to blame the current council for the actions of the past one. . .
As for Aho's non-involvement in the expansion, the Council Minutes confirm it: "Butcher agrees with Young and said there’s been no council action that would suggest that they support the expansion of the airport."
Everything Aho has said has been substantiated. All the actions of our City Council are open. There were no 'secretive' meetings as you have alluded.
The point is simple - an agreement was signed in 2002 that gave up all our rights to oppose the expansion. The chickens have simply come home to roost. . . Blaming Aho for this is ridiculous. For those who want the airport expansion, Aho deserves no credit. For those who don't, Aho deserves no blame.
And for the future - before you listen to any attorney advise that you must give up all future legal rights, I suggest you get a second opinion. . . Especially regarding entities that you believe have "all" the power. Then, it is usually very important to preserve your future legal rights, or at the very least, obtain what you believe is just compensation for giving them up. . .
The truth is, that not having cargo planes and FedEx coming into EP was considered (at the time) to be 'just compensation' by some. That's probably why the City went along with it. If you thought the MAC was going to take that Agreement and not act on it, you were wrong. If you thought you could prevent the MAC from ever being funded, you were wrong. If you thought giving up our future rights was a 'good thing', you were also wrong in my opinion. Once the MAC had the agreement, it was only a matter of time. . .
Question Mark???? The...
Back to page topQuestion Mark????
The numbers were followed by a question mark. Worse has been posted on the blog and still remains..
But, Aho already threatened the EPN with legal action, just for publishing factual emails; emails which Neal could not refute. Certainly Aho could not refute his own statement. So, the only way to respond was to ATTACK with outrageous remarks that were off the point.
I have never threatened the EPN with a legal action.
Maybe it's politically advantageous to do so, but ethically it's not honest. Neal sent the emails, Brad Aho made the comment.
BTW, I take full responsiblity for putting a question mark at the end of two numerical figures. It is stated in the dictionary and certainly in almost any reference that a question mar